inclusive vs. exclusive pronoun (Num 16:12)

Many languages distinguish between inclusive and exclusive first-person plural pronouns (“we”). (Click or tap here to see more details)

The inclusive “we” specifically includes the addressee (“you and I and possibly others”), while the exclusive “we” specifically excludes the addressee (“he/she/they and I, but not you”). This grammatical distinction is called “clusivity.” While Semitic languages such as Hebrew or most Indo-European languages such as Greek or English do not make that distinction, translators of languages with that distinction have to make a choice every time they encounter “we” or a form thereof (in English: “we,” “our,” or “us”).

For this verse, the Jarai and the Adamawa Fulfulde translation both use the exclusive pronoun, excluding Moses.

complete verse (Numbers 16:12)

Following are a number of back-translations as well as a sample translation for translators of Numbers 16:12:

  • Kupsabiny: “After that, Moses sent for Dathan and Abiram who were sons of Eliab to be called, but those people said, ‘We are not coming!’” (Source: Kupsabiny Back Translation)
  • Newari: “Then Moses sent to summon Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab. But they said "We will not come.” (Source: Newari Back Translation)
  • Hiligaynon: “Then Moises called-for Datan and Abiram, the children of Eliab. But they said, ‘We (excl.) will- not -come!” (Source: Hiligaynon Back Translation)
  • English: “Then Moses/I summoned Dathan and Abiram, but they refused to come. They sent a message saying, ‘We will not come to you!” (Source: Translation for Translators)

Moses

The name that is transliterated as “Moses” in English is signed in Spanish Sign Language and Polish Sign Language in accordance with the depiction of Moses in the famous statue by Michelangelo (see here ). (Source: John Elwode in The Bible Translator 2008, p. 78ff. )


“Moses” in Spanish Sign Language, source: Sociedad Bíblica de España

American Sign Language also uses the sign depicting the horns but also has a number of alternative signs (see here ).

In French Sign Language, a similar sign is used, but it is interpreted as “radiance” (see below) and it culminates in a sign for “10,” signifying the 10 commandments:


“Moses” in French Sign Language (source )

The horns that are visible in Michelangelo’s statue are based on a passage in the Latin Vulgate translation (and many Catholic Bible translations that were translated through the 1950ies with that version as the source text). Jerome, the translator, had worked from a Hebrew text without the niqquds, the diacritical marks that signify the vowels in Hebrew and had interpreted the term קרו (k-r-n) in Exodus 34:29 as קֶ֫רֶן — keren “horned,” rather than קָרַו — karan “radiance” (describing the radiance of Moses’ head as he descends from Mount Sinai).

In Swiss-German Sign Language it is translated with a sign depicting holding a staff. This refers to a number of times where Moses’s staff is used in the context of miracles, including the parting of the sea (see Exodus 14:16), striking of the rock for water (see Exodus 17:5 and following), or the battle with Amalek (see Exodus 17:9 and following).


“Moses” in Swiss-German Sign Language, source: DSGS-Lexikon biblischer Begriffe , © CGG Schweiz

In Vietnamese (Hanoi) Sign Language it is translated with the sign that depicts the eye make up he would have worn as the adopted son of an Egyptian princess. (Source: The Vietnamese Sign Language translation team, VSLBT)


“Moses” in Vietnamese Sign Language, source: SooSL

In Estonian Sign Language Moses is depicted with a big beard. (Source: Liina Paales in Folklore 47, 2011, p. 43ff. )


“Moses” in Estonian Sign Language, source: Glossary of the EKNK Toompea kogudus

For more information on translations of proper names with sign language see Sign Language Bible Translations Have Something to Say to Hearing Christians .

Learn more on Bible Odyssey: Moses .

Translation commentary on Numbers 16:12 - 16:14

And Moses sent to call Dathan and Abiram the sons of Eliab: Having spoken to Korah and his followers in verses 5-11, Moses next sent for Dathan and Abiram, the Reubenites, to come. The narrative now returns to the Reubenite rebels, and a special discourse marker may be needed in the translation to indicate this. Good News Translation and most other English translations begin with the connector “Then.” In some languages the verb sent may require an object, such as “someone” or “messengers.” Good News Translation avoids this problem by rendering sent to call as “sent for,” and so does New Living Translation with “summoned.” For Dathan and Abiram the sons of Eliab, see verse 1.

And they said: Since the Reubenite rebels do not agree to come, the conjunction and is better rendered “but” (New Revised Standard Version, Good News Translation). Their response in verses 12b-14 has a chiastic structure, which supports the interpretation of the unity of these verses as a distinct literary element in the account. We will not come up begins and ends their response (verses 12 and 14); you have brought us up out of a land flowing with milk and honey (verse 13) matches you have not brought us into a land flowing with milk and honey (verse 14).

We will not come up: In this context the Hebrew verb for come up has the connotation of appearing before somebody of higher status or authority, so a good rendering for it here is “appear.” (Rashbam, the Jewish medieval commentator, noted that verbs relating to “going up” are commonly used in the Hebrew Bible for appearing before judges.) There is also narrative irony here: since the Reubenites refuse to go up (to Moses), they will, in fact, go down into the ground soon (so Sherwood, page 165). The forcefulness of this refusal may require a special device in the target language, for example, an initial negative: “No, we will not come!”

Is it a small thing…?: This rhetorical question begins in a similar way to the one in verses 9-10a (see the comments there), and in many languages it will be possible to duplicate the accusatory function and force by means of a corresponding rhetorical question; for example, Chewa begins with “Is it [really] insufficient for you to…?” In other languages, however, it will be more natural to follow Good News Translation, which has “Isn’t it enough…?”

That you have brought us up out of a land flowing with milk and honey: You have brought us up is literally “you have made us come up.” The Hebrew verb here is the same one rendered come up in verses 12 and 14. Although this verb is different from the one in 15.41 rendered “brought … out,” it is hard to see a meaningful distinction between them. In any case, the Reubenite rebels are implying that it is all Moses’ fault that the Israelites left the good land of Egypt and ended up in a terrible place. They describe Egypt as a land flowing with milk and honey, which is an ironic contrast with what was said in 13.27 (see the comments there). Good News Translation renders this phrase as “the fertile land of Egypt,” but translators should try to keep the imagery here or use an alternative idiom.

To kill us in the wilderness: Deliberate murder should not be implied here. Nevertheless, this is another case of hyperbole in the rebels’ complaint. For the Hebrew word rendered wilderness (midbar), see 1.1.

That you must also make yourself a prince over us: The Hebrew verb here means “appoint oneself as lord/master.” It is repeated here for emphasis, first as a finite verb and then as a participle. It has a negative connotation in this context. Good News Translation renders this clause idiomatically, saying “Do you also have to lord it over us?” Contemporary English Version is similar with “Now you also want to boss us around!”

Moreover you have not brought us into a land flowing with milk and honey: The rebels also accuse Moses of failing to bring them to a fertile land. The Hebrew particle rendered Moreover introduces an additional argument in the discourse. Revised English Bible translates this particle as “What is more,” which is a more accurate rendering than “certainly” in Good News Translation.

Nor given us inheritance of fields and vineyards: The Hebrew word for inheritance (nachalah) refers to inherited property that must not be sold or taken away. The Hebrew words for fields and vineyards are singular, but here they have a collective sense. Fields are where crops are grown, and vineyards are where grapes are grown. Here these two terms refer figuratively to property and wealth in general.

Will you put out the eyes of these men?: This rhetorical question is literally “Will you bore out the eyes of these men?” which is an idiomatic expression for deception. Good News Translation makes this clear by saying “and now you are trying to deceive us,” but this translation is rather flat. In some languages it will be possible to use an idiom that refers to eyes in a natural way, for example, “Will you throw dust in our eyes?” “Do you think you can turn a wheel before the eyes of men like us?” (De Nieuwe Bijbelvertaling), and “Will you grab us in the eyes?” (Chewa). Compare NET Bible with “Do you think you can blind these men?” These men refers to the Israelites. Since those who are speaking are Israelites, Good News Translation says simply “us.”

We will not come up: The Reubenite rebels end their obstinate refusal in the same way that they began it. In some languages the emphatic force of this repetition needs to be marked; for example, Chewa says “No, as for us we are not coming there!”

Quoted with permission from de Regt, Lénart J. and Wendland, Ernst R. A Handbook on Numbers. (UBS Helps for Translators). Miami: UBS, 2016. For this and other handbooks for translators see here .