Translation commentary on Proverbs 23:29-30

Verse 29 consists of a series of six questions, all beginning with “Who”. The series of questions is a feature that highlights the theme of the saying. All the questions have the same answer, which is given in the next verse.

“Who has woe? Who has sorrow?”: In Hebrew “woe” and “sorrow” are actually exclamations expressing feelings of despair and pain. Scott tries to express this in his rendering, “Who groans ‘Alas!’? Who cries ‘Woe is me!’?” Good News Translation renders the line “people who are miserable and sorry for themselves”; Contemporary English Version combines the two exclamations into one, “Who is always in trouble?”

“Who has strife? Who has complaining?”: In this context “strife” refers to both words and actions. The same Hebrew term is rendered “disputes” in 18.18 and “quarreling” in 18.19. Here it is rendered as “quarrels” by a number of versions; and Good News Translation expresses it as “causing trouble.” Toy suggests that the drinker gets into difficulties when he quarrels or argues, and his “complaining” or “complaints” (New International Version) follow from that.

“Who has wounds without cause?”: “Wounds” are the “bruises” or “injuries” the person suffers in drunken quarreling or brawling. “Without cause” may mean that the person could have avoided getting those injuries: “Who has needless bruises?” (New International Version). Or it could mean that afterwards he has no idea how he got them: “Who gets the bruises without knowing why?” (Revised English Bible).

“Who has redness of eyes?”: The condition described here as “redness of eyes” is caused by too much drinking and is more naturally expressed in English as “Whose eyes are bloodshot?” (Revised English Bible). In other languages there will generally be well-known and suitable expressions such as “Their eyes are always red.”

“Those who tarry long over wine”: To “tarry long over wine” means to “stay for a long time drinking” or “. . . late into the night drinking.” Revised English Bible expresses this as “linger late over their wine” and New Jerusalem Bible “linger over wine too long.” The underlying sense is that these are “people who drink too much” (Good News Translation).

“Those who go to try mixed wine”: This does not refer to another group of people but is another description of the same group. “Mixed wine” is literally “mixture,” and we have no information about what this referred to. Some suggest that it was wine to which spices were added; Revised English Bible renders the word “spiced liquor.” The verbal expression “go to try” represents the Hebrew “going about to search for,” in the sense of wanting to try or to taste other drinks. New International Version renders this expression “who go to sample. . .,” and New Jerusalem Bible “ever on the look-out for. . ..” See also Good News Translation.

For some languages it may not be natural to have the series of questions in verse 29 followed by the answer in verse 30, so a model that reverses the order of the verses may be helpful. Good News Translation gives one such model but uses an English construction (“Show me. . ., and I will show you. . .”) which other languages may not be able to follow. A typical translation in another language goes like this: “If you look at the drinker, the person who is always trying out new drinks, you will see that he always feels bad, and says, ‘Oh! I’m so confused!’ He always causes trouble, and argues about things. He has bruises on his body, and his eyes are always red.”

Quoted with permission from Reyburn, William D. and Fry, Euan McG. A Handbook on Proverbs. (UBS Helps for Translators). New York: UBS, 2000. For this and other handbooks for translators see here .

complete verse (Proverbs 23:29)

Following are a number of back-translations as well as a sample translation for translators of Proverbs 23:29:

  • Kupsabiny: “Who is crying in pain? Who goes around shouting? Who is opposing things and looking for fights? Who is having scars for nothing? Who has red eyes?” (Source: Kupsabiny Back Translation)
  • Newari: “The one who gets tempted by liquor,
    [who] keeps trying out new kinds of liquor,
    that man will always be in trouble.
    [He] will have to weep all the time,
    [he] will have to fight all the time,
    [he] will have to suffer needless wounds,
    [his] eyes will always be red.” (Source: Newari Back Translation)
  • Hiligaynon: “Who is the man who is miserable, fights/quarrels, complains, wounded whom he could have avoided, and his eyes get-red.” (Source: Hiligaynon Back Translation)
  • Kankanaey: “Who is it that always has-problems and who is-sad (lit. his thoughts hurt)? Who is it that always joins-in-quarreling and grumbles? Who is it that gets-wounded and there is no proper reason-for-it? Who is it whose eyes are red?” (Source: Kankanaey Back Translation)

SIL Translator’s Notes on Proverbs 23:29

Paragraph 23:29–35 Saying 18

In this saying, the father indirectly warns his son not to get drunk. He first asks him to identify the kind of person who experiences the effects of drinking (23:29–30). He then warns him to avoid the tempting appearance and taste of wine and gives him a reason for the warning (23:31–32). Finally, he describes what a drunk person imagines, says (23:33) and feels (23:33–34). The last verse gives the drunk person’s concluding words (23:35).

23:29

In this verse, the father asks the young man six questions. These questions are like a riddle. They ask the young man to guess the kind of person who is being described.

29a Who has woe? Who has sorrow?

29b Who has contentions? Who has complaints?

29c Who has needless wounds? Who has bloodshot eyes?

Each question has the same answer. The writer gives the answer in 23:30. See the General Comment after the note in 23:30b for a way to reorder these verses.

23:29a

Who has woe? Who has sorrow?: In Hebrew, the word woe is normally used as an exclamation. The word sorrow is probably used in the same way. These words probably express the drunkard’s feelings of frustration and despair. For example:

Who groans “Alas!”? Who cries “Woe is me!”?

If your language has one or more exclamations that would be appropriate in this context, consider using them here.

You may also use questions that are similar to the Berean Standard Bible. Some other ways to translate these questions are:

Who has trouble? Who has misery? (New Living Translation (2004))
-or-
Who continually feels pain and sorrow/remorse?

23:29b

Who has contentions?: The word that the Berean Standard Bible translates here as contentions refers to both quarrels and fights. The Berean Standard Bible translates the same Hebrew word as “quarrels” in 18:18. Some other ways to translate this question are:

Who is always fighting? (New Living Translation (2004))
-or-
Who argues and fights? (Contemporary English Version)
-or-
Who always causes trouble?

Who has complaints?: This question may result from the previous one. A person who gets into arguments and fights often has difficulties to complain about. Another way to translate this question is?

Who is always complaining? (New Living Translation (2004))

23:29c

Who has needless wounds?: The phrase needless wounds refers here to the cuts and bruises that a drunk person receives when he gets into a fight. The word that the Berean Standard Bible translates as needless is more literally “without cause.” This word may mean that:

(a) There was no need for a fight. The wounds occurred for no good reason. For example:

Who has unnecessary bruises? (New Century Version)
-or-
Who has bruises that could have been avoided?

(b) The injured person was not aware of the cause. He may have been too drunk. He may also have been injured by a random blow. For example:

Who gets the bruises without knowing why? (Revised English Bible)
-or-
Who is struck by a random blow?

You may use any of these ideas to translate this question in your language.

Who has bloodshot eyes?: In Hebrew, bloodshot eyes is literally “darkness of eyes.” It may refer to:

(a) Eyes that are red or bloodshot. For example:

Whose eyes are red? (Contemporary English Version)

(b) Eyes that are cloudy or glazed. For example:

Who has bleary eyes? (Tanakh: The Holy Scriptures)

Both of these fit the context well. They are equally acceptable. Use a natural expression in your language that refers to the eyes of a person who has had too much to drink.

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